Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paco Pedro

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The result was Delete. Randykitty (talk) 12:31, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Paco Pedro

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No sign of nor claim of WP:NOTABILITY for this character from web films. Nat Gertler (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 18:33, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep-Paco Pedro Wikipedia page should not be deleted as it has 3 pages on the IMDB website. IMDB requires all films to be notable before being included on their site. It would seem that 'notability' has already been established. Note: this is a message that was posted on Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Paco_Pedro by 81.155.47.55 (talk · contribs), apparently intended for this discussion. I have transferred it here. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:44, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Listings at IMDb does not establish notability in the eyes of Wikipedia. Per [[WP:NFILMS|our guidelines on film notability: To presume notability, reliable sources should have significant coverage. Examples of coverage insufficient to fully establish notability include newspaper listings of screening times and venues, "capsule reviews", plot summaries without critical commentary, or listings in comprehensive film guides such as Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide, Time Out Film Guide, or the Internet Movie Database. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:49, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"listings in comprehensive film guides such as Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide, Time Out Film Guide, or the Internet Movie Database."--- The film is included in the Internet Movie Database film guide. Character page/bio: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0451817/bio Film guide for FIRST movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3813006/ Film guide for SECOND movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3826656/ Photos for these three guides will be uploaded very soon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.47.55 (talk) 11:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and what I quoted says that IMDb is insufficient to establish notability. It's not good enough. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: - I looked into this character and he has two films which have been approved on the Internet Movie Database website, and a third one which has just been completed, with a professional cast and crew. Any addition to the Internet Movie Database as far as I'm aware requires submissions to be not only 'notable', but they have strict guidelines on this. Paco Pedro also has getting on for 3,000 views on youtube, and a growing cult fan base. It took me five minutes to find this out, it wasn't hard work! I have just joined the many other fans of Paco Pedro so don't try and tell me he is not notable. There is no way Paco Pedro should be deleted! Dean Winter <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3813006/?ref_=fn_al_ch_1a http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3826656/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJik-Rz_yzU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evGgypMeoM0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.205.149.217 (talk) 02:31, 2 October 2014 (UTC) — 90.205.149.217 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

~~keep~~ Paco Pedro has a growing fan base - see fan club on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pacopedrobullfighter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.47.55 (talk) 12:09, 3 October 2014 (UTC) — 81.155.47.55 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment: Dude, even if we did count Facebook pages as supporting notability -- we don't -- you created that page. There's a guideline called WP:COI you should read. Nha Trang 17:28, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar ♔ 21:01, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. IMDb has much lower requirements for inclusion, basically anyone who's worked in films, e.g. this piano player who subbed for Dooley Wilson in Casablanca ("Play it again, Elliot?"). Facebook doesn't do it either. No substantial media coverage as far as I can see. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:19, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete With Fire: Great, so this fictional character has fanboys. Well, good for them. He meets IMDB's criteria? Awesome, he can have a page there. He meets with YouTube's approval? Great, he can have videos there. On Wikipedia, he needs to meet Wikipedia's rules for notability. He doesn't. Done deal. (By the bye, the article was created by a now-blocked SPA.) Nha Trang 21:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

~~KEEP~~ I am delighted to announce that a York based newspaper (http://www.yorkpress.co.uk)have recently decided to write an article on Paco Pedro 3- owing to the fact that the third film was shot in York, features many historic Yorkshire sites, York actors, and a leading York photographer. Perhaps this now meets with the "media coverage" that was requested earlier in this debate. Mark Wilson Smith (Director of Paco Pedro 3)— 81.155.47.5 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

No, the possibility that some time in the future a local paper may publish an article (there is no sign of one of the website) that says who-knows-what about the making of a film does not mean that the character that is the subject of this article is notable. You should not be creating WP:PROMO pages about your own projects in the first place. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

JOHN BREWER: I actually found out that they are getting a book published next year about this character. Add that to their newspaper article and whatever else they have said. So I would probably say just keep it in for now.

Oh, wow, another supposed piece of not-yet-existent coverage. Again, not something that establishes notability under Wikipedia guidelines. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:29, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So who's "John Brewer" and what does he have to do with anything, unless our vandalizing SPA friend 81.155.47.5 claims that's his real name? Nha Trang 19:50, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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